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		<title>&#8220;Bird Dogging&#8221; for Finder&#8217;s Fees &#8211; Illegal?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, a disclaimer: I am not a lawyer (that lovely acronym &#8220;IANAL&#8221; so popular on various forums). This post does not constitute legal advice. Seek professional input, etc. etc. I&#8217;ve simply tried to do some basic research on my own to get a feel for a puzzling question &#8212; Is the practice of &#8220;Bird Dogging&#8221; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, a disclaimer: I am not a lawyer (that lovely acronym &#8220;IANAL&#8221; so popular on various forums). This post does not constitute legal advice. Seek professional input, etc. etc. I&#8217;ve simply tried to do some basic research on my own to get a feel for a puzzling question &#8212; Is the practice of &#8220;Bird Dogging&#8221; Illegal?</p>
<p>Various real estate &#8220;gurus&#8221;, seminars, investment clubs, websites, blogs, and forums encourage novices to being their real estate career as &#8220;bird dogs&#8221;. The essential concept is that a finder&#8217;s fee is paid by the investor to the finder for providing information about a potential deal.</p>
<p>However, after some extensive Googling, I found a general consensus on various REI forums that finder&#8217;s fees are illegal. There is some controversy on specific narrow exceptions:</p>
<ul>
<li>2/4/08 BiggerPockets Forums: <a href="http://forums.biggerpockets.com/about4718-0-asc-20.html"  target="_blank">What is a Bird Dog?</a> If the fee is contingent on the transaction or the bird dog is performing a regulated action (acting as a middleman) the referral fee is illegal.</li>
<li>8/21/07 Realty Times:  <a href="http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20070821_prohibitfee.htm"  target="_blank">Federal Law Prohibits Most Payment of Referral Fees to Unlicensed Persons</a>. Federal law (RESPA) governs transactions involving financing by a government agency (FHA) or federally regulated/insured financial institutions. RESPA prohibits the payment of referral fees to unlicensed persons. &#8220;Exceptions would be cash transactions (&lt; $1 MM / year / investor), those with seller financing, or ones in which the loan comes from a non-bank entity such as an insurance company.&#8221;</li>
<li>1/24/07 Inman News: <a href="http://www.inman.com/InmanNews.aspx?ID=61627"  target="_blank">Reward Offer Can Lead to Legal Complications</a>. This is a follow up to the 1/1 posting below. Illegal under RESPA, and legal under narrow restrictions under California state law. (However, RESPA overrides state law.)</li>
<li>1/1/07 Inman News Forum: <a href="http://www.inman.com/blogger/2007/01/wanted-home-buyer-1000-reward-property.aspx"  target="_blank">Wanted: Home buyer &#8212; $1000 Reward</a>. The consensus of the forum members is that the practice is illegal under RESPA. There&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.inman.com/blogger/2007/01/update-wanted-home-buyer-1000-reward.aspx#links"  target="_blank">follow up reply from some lawyers</a> that confirms this position.</li>
</ul>
<p>Without a clear answer, it is time to dig deeper:</p>
<ul>
<li>RESPA = US Code Title 12, Chapter 27</li>
<li><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/res/respamor.cfm#WT"  target="_blank">RESPA In General</a> &#8211; &#8221; RESPA covers loans secured with a mortgage placed on a one-to-four family residential property.&#8221;</li>
<li><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/res/respamor.cfm#HT"  target="_blank">Section 8: kickbacks, fee-splitting, unearned fees</a> &#8211; &#8220;Section 8 of RESPA prohibits anyone from giving or accepting a fee, kickback or any thing of value in exchange for referrals of <em><strong>settlement service</strong></em> business involving a federally related mortgage loan.&#8221;</li>
<li><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00002603----000-.html"  target="_blank">Section 2602.3</a> &#8211; Definition of <em><strong>settlement service</strong></em>: &#8220;<span class="ptext-1">includes any service provided in connection with a real estate settlement including, but not limited to, the following: &#8230;services rendered by a real estate agent or broker&#8230;&#8221;</span></li>
<li><span class="ptext-1"><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00002607----000-.html"  target="_blank">Section 2607.A</a> &#8211; </span>&#8220;No person shall give and no person shall accept any fee&#8230;pursuant to any agreement&#8230;that business incident to or a part of a real estate settlement service&#8230;&#8221;</li>
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<p>Preliminary Conclusions (Work in Progress):</p>
<ul>
<li>RESPA covers most real estate transactions &#8212; anything that is backed by the government or flows through a bank entity regulated or insured by the government. Exceptions:
<ul>
<li>Residential properties &gt; 4 units</li>
<li>Commercial properties</li>
<li>All cash transactions &#8212; limited to $1 MM per year for each investor</li>
<li>Seller financing</li>
<li>Loan from a non-bank entity</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>In RESPA covered transactions:
<ul>
<li>Licensed real estate professionals (agents, brokers, lawyers, etc.) <em><strong>may</strong></em> pay fees to each other as &#8220;affiliated businesses&#8221; under the condition that the relationship is disclosed and a fee estimate is provided upfront.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li> Licensed real estate professionals <strong><em>may not</em></strong> pay fees to &#8220;associates&#8221;.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Unlicensed individuals (private investors, &#8220;bird dogs&#8221;) <em><strong>may not</strong></em> pay fees to each other because they are performing the regulated action of matching buyers and sellers which requires a real estate professional&#8217;s license.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>In non-RESPA transactions:
<ul>
<li>We must look to state law.</li>
<li>In California,</li>
</ul>
</li>
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